Do you believe in GOD?

[Sakuma Ryuuichi]

I don't know if this is a repeat question but i have scanned through the gen discussions just to confirm.

What is your opinion on the title?

A basic discussion. I hope i don't see clashes in believes here though. Everyone is welcome to voice out their opinion. Just don't flame and argue.

[Sei Akujin]

No. I don't believe on God.

[Keated]

I do believe in God. My reasons... tough to explain. For a start, the many, perhaps minute, miracles I see. Too many things seem to fit too well, in my opinion, and, although as a scientist I have the NEED to question the existence of such an entity, I can still find room in my understanding of the universe to accomodate God.

Hope that sort of makes sense :?

[Krad-sama]

i dont believe in god, im an atheist and i have no religion

[Takai]

I believe in God. I was just taught this way since I was very little.

[Hiro]

I personally don't quite believe in it. I'm more of a free thinker. Accepting whatever happens.

[ILuvHyde]

nope

[heero yuy]

hiroshi....do you believe that the existence of a God is probable?

[frank]

Define God, please!

Whose?

Which?

When?

and like that .....

[Hiro]

hiroshi....do you believe that the existence of a God is probable?

I do believe God only exist in ones heart when they truely want to know and accept God's existence. I've been to a christian group discussion once and i noticed that people only know God's existence when something supernatural creeps up in their life.
What i;ve surveyed is that, most people who once never believe in God turn to God for help during hard times. And if so happen their problems are solved they turn to believe in God. They would start to believe that its not a coincidence for something like that to happen and would think someone of higher power is guiding them through their hard times.

And to Frank's question, what i think God is to others is a supernatural being of greater and higher power than the human's on this very earth. But others may see it in other ways.

This topic is always open for discussion.

[heero yuy]

Sounds to me like hiroshi is an Agnostic. There's nothing wrong with that either. I just like to read what other people think of religion. I'm in the process of converting religions. We won't talk about that though as this is not the place for that.

[Hiro]

Sounds to me like hiroshi is an Agnostic. There's nothing wrong with that either. I just like to read what other people think of religion. I'm in the process of converting religions. We won't talk about that though as this is not the place for that.

No worries Heero-san. But i am more of a free thinker. It works better that way.

[Ki[Tsume]ba]

I'm an atheist. I thought it was so great when I was asked by a friend to join Gospel Choir last week^^

[Soi Fon]

I am happier without god in my life. :) My life was all about pomp and all that poo stuff...now I can live my life how I want to.

[spike]

i belive there was a god the made the planet, but i don't know if there is one now.

[Mac]

To be honest I don't. The whole 'god made the world in seven days' thing sounds like bullshit... and what about the rest of the universe, huh?

On another note, I don't believe in God but I do believe in heaven and Hell....

[Sei Akujin]

GOD IS A HOAX MADE UP BY PEOPLE LONG LONG AGO TO CREATE ORDER. All it is a goddamn book claiming there is a god. But there is no physical evidance of his existance.

[Hiro]

True. I agree with aniki.

[Kawaii Shuichi]

I don't believe in god. I like to study religions. But a religion is like the greek mythology to me. They are all mythologies made up by man to answer things that they cannot. They use 'god' to cover up for their inablility to explain something and is scared if there isn't an explanation. Thus the creation of 'god'

[Sei Akujin]

I don't believe in god. I like to study religions. But a religion is like the greek mythology to me. They are all mythologies made up by man to answer things that they cannot. They use 'god' to cover up for their inablility to explain something and is scared if there isn't an explanation. Thus the creation of 'god'

God is always used to cover up crimes such as war and murder. Ha....George Bush loves to say God is on the US side in war...what a joke.

[Hiro]

don't you get a feeling that Bush never knew what GOD was of maybe even existed.

[frank]

So far: Yes @ 38%. Not exactly what I would call an overwhelming majority.

My point, thought I asked earlier:

What God?
Whose God?
Even When God (as in historical recognition)

Do I believe in my God: Yes!

Do I believe in you your God: probably not.

The Cuna indians on the San BlasIslands of Panama have some very interesting beliefs. As do most so-called primitive peoples. To wit" the Maori of New Zealand and the Aborigines of Australia. heck em out--well worth it.

[Keated]

To be honest I don't. The whole 'god made the world in seven days' thing sounds like bullshit... and what about the rest of the universe, huh?

On another note, I don't believe in God but I do believe in heaven and Hell....

well, the bible was written by man, and therefore manipulated by him throughout the ages and thus, if you'll pardon the pun, you can't take it as gospel ;) lol

but seriously, my belief - There is a God, and there's also a heaven, hell, and purgatory.

anyway, 'tis late this night, and i have work tomorrow, so i'll leave it there

[frank]

Sleep well, good Keat. Sleep well.

[Caveat Lector]

I find it entertaining to find you people insult God...

[Hiro]

If you want to do it SOG don't go overboard.

[Caveat Lector]

......

You misinterpreted what I said.

[Sei Akujin]

I find it entertaining to find you people insult God...

I insult for my own reasons...

[Kayla]

i'm not sure about the whole thing but i have my own personal reasons

[frank]

I find it entertaining to find you people insult God...

With all due respect, Slayer of God. one need but look at your chosen username (which evryone accepts, as far as I know) to determine where the true insult lies.

I don't think there is much room for misinterpretation there.

The topic question was not intended to address personal issues of concern by any one member of another, but a simple answer with perhaps some substantive logic behind it.

[Caveat Lector]

I find it entertaining to find you people insult God...

With all due respect, Slayer of God. one need but look at your chosen username (which evryone accepts, as far as I know) to determine where the true insult lies.

I don't think there is much room for misinterpretation there.

The topic question was not intended to address personal issues of concern by any one member of another, but a simple answer with perhaps some substantive logic behind it.

You are pathetic. You are going to judge me of my name I got from a mere game? If I doubt his existance and call him a hoax I think that is more of an isult. Do you know my view of god? No. It is a mere name...

[Rhoey]

God is a spirit, not a person. God is the "whole thing". God is everywhere, and God is that we seek when we want to be understood, and not feel empty.

I believe in God.
I believe Jesus was/is God's son. I also believe he will come back one day.

I'm religious. I attend church. I pray. I sing carols.

It makes me a happier person.
It makes me feel I'm never lonely, I'm always watched over. I'm helped, I'm cared for, I'm listened to. With people, I don't experience this.

[frank]

For those who may be interested: a response to SOG's rather pungent comments was entered--in a typical way when defending a rather obtuse and insignificant criticism. I went back to Page 1 and took heed of the words: don't flame, don't spam.

I deleted my first entry as it would have developed into a ridiculous theological presumption on both sides.

I am more than willing to accept Slayer of God's expressed beliefs and opinions concerning the existence of God. Or the non-existence. His beliefs and opinions are sacrosanct unto himself. And, it does not really matter whether I am "willing" or not.
His beliefs and opinions remain his, indepedant of my own.

The slight to my character, I choose to ignore as not being worthy of a response.

I belive that there is a Supreme Being who is responsible for the creation of this universe in which we live.

I believe that all peoples, and all individuals , are free to decide for themselves the form and format which their particular God may take--or may not take, as the individual chooses.

I believe that multiple Gods are existent, but that there is only one Supreme. I believe that there are different levels of existence and awareness, and at each level a struggle occurs to reach the level above, until one is finally in the presence of the Supreme Power.

I believe that each level ascendancy is accomplished through practicing a degree of humility, caring and understanding.

I know that accomplishment of this journey is very difficult.

These are some of my beliefs. I do not criticize or insult the beliefs which other have.

[Caveat Lector]

No. I decided not to waste my time with a fool like you. Day by day you continue to suck up to the members. Protesting how you feel as if they give a damn. Character? You live a lie. Pathetic.
God? Yes, I can say I do not believe this was created out of mere luck, chance, and time. If I claimed to believe in a God..it would only be one. As stated by a friend...there is a "maker" and the "un-maker"... I could continue, yet I see no purpose.

[Lady Battousai]

I belive in god and all those stories in the bible^_^

[Rhoey]

GOD IS A HOAX MADE UP BY PEOPLE LONG LONG AGO TO CREATE ORDER. All it is a goddamn book claiming there is a god. But there is no physical evidance of his existance.

Is there a physical evidence of the existance of happiness? Or love?
It's all spiritual things, feelings, things humans will never be able to understand. Who understands love? No one. Same with God, and religion. No one will ever grasp these things. Only feel it. Only try to take it in. But they'll never understand.

It's like reading a political article from the papers for a 5-year-old.

You can't just figure out God. Just like you can't figure out love.


People think it's easier to believe we are the supreme beings above all. It's always easier to believe nothing or no one is above us.

The problem with people is that they're constantly trying to prove, and find an explanation to everything. And if they don't find one, can't find evidence of God's existance, they say; "Ack, screw it. It's all a fake."

But what people can't seem to accept is that some things simply cannot be explained or proven.
There've been many many people in history who've believed strongly in God, and it's done miracles to them. There are miracles in life, only people don't accept them as miracles.

Anyway, let's take Einstein as an example. Einstein didn't know diddly-squat about maths. He literally sucked. But then one night, he came up with something that would help the world. How?
He said; "It came to me in my dreams."
And he was religious. So, it's helped him a lot. It was his support, because he strongly believed.

People also love to blame religion for creating conflicts.
Religion doesn't create conflicts. It's the people who do. Because there are those who commit crimes in the name of God. Which, in my eyes is more wrong than committing that crime.
Killing someone and saying; "I did it because God told me" is one of the most sick and retarded things anyone can say.

The bible:
I don't believe in the bible. I don't at all see it as God's words like most Catholics do.
The bible is a fine collection of old stories, which in symbolic ways are trying to tell us things.
I also have my thoughts about the bible being written only so men could oppress women by saying; "Shut up! It's because of YOU that we're not in paradise still! You had to eat that apple, didn't you!?"

Not everyone believe in the bible.
I don't. In fact, I see most of the stories there as bull. Bull, because they don't make sense. How come it's to 99% about men, and it's only the men doing good things, but the women are bad, and do evil things.
I say it's because this was, and still is (in some places, by some ppl) a way of controlling women.

But God is not a man. I see God as an 'it'. The whole thing that keeps everything together. Call it whatever you want, though. God is everywhere. It's not an old guy on a cloud. Nor a black guy, like in Bruce Almighty.
God is a spirit. The cleanest, most holy spirit that exists.
It's with Jesus' birth that God started to become mercyful. Before Jesus, in the bible, there are only stories telling how God let people die and punished many.

I'm just trying to tell things from a religious person's view. Mine, and probably from many people's view too.

People who aren't religious usually judge a religion from assumptions and all the bad things we hear about it from TV, or people who've been battered by an obsessed uber-catholic dad.

But it's not because of the religion that people do that. Many are really disturbed. They don't understand that catholic or nay, you have to adjust and adapt your religion to the time you're living in. We're not living during the medieval times where church had all power.

That's another thing people don't understand;
Religion is not about which church you go to. It's not about how often you go to church, whether you sing carols, celebrate Christmas, read the bible or no. It's all in here. Religion is in your heart, in your soul and in your mind.
Not in church, not in the bible, only in you.
I've met people who wore a cross around their neck, and they were on about that they believe in God, go to church and all.
But later when I heard them talk about religion, it seemed they had absolutely no idea about what it really is to be religious. They only wore the cross to 'seem cool' because it's some fashion accessory. And they made up a lot of bull like they liked to live in a lie, or I don't know.

A lot of those who claim they're christian, are fake. They're just trying to 'be good in God's eyes', but in truth, they don't care. And thus, they give those who truly believe a bad reputation.


I think I'll stop now, I've already written a whole lot.
This is just from my point of view, in a philosophical way, and from my religious half of me. This is not to try to convert you, just so you can understand a believer's view on things.
But these are all my own opinions, though.

[Lady Battousai]

im not very religious but i still beleive^_^

[sXe_bill_cosby]

I do beleive in god. Yes i beleive in the bible. Aroah is right though the bible seemed to be sexist. They did speak of women as harlots and ne'err-do-wells. yet now we all know this to be false. Also i would never blame a woman for not being in paradise. It was adams fault he did prevent Eve from eating the apple also. Thus why man and woman were cast from eden. The bible is not a hoax. If you read it and understand its meaning it was never false. Also look up the foresights in the bible and see how they always happen with out a hitch.

[FallenHeart]

I guess if there can be Hell, there can be Heaven
as well. And if you can have Satan, I suppose
God could exsist too.
But I personally hate God. All these silly idiot
Christians who think they know every thing and everyone
else is wrong, it just makes me hate the whole religion crap.
I don't believe in much of anything anymore.
God has let me down too many times, and Satan...
well, lol, no further comment.
*Grins and winks while rising out of Hell's red fire*

[Aoi]

God is as real as you want him to be, for me, he is real. I am a not so devoted, but he is there. I am a sinner, but I still believe. Sei, God is not a hoax, just misunderstood and misinterpreted a lot. Fallenheart, you live in a world of fantasy, God is real, so is Satan, God doesn't let people down, you let yourself down by not having faith.

[Abarai Renji]

Nope. I am not a sheep.

[Rhoey]

Can I ask something? What does is harm anyone to believe in God?
Is it better to believe in nothing?

Personally, I feel much more comfortable and safe, believing that I'm never alone, and that someone or something listens to my prayers. And listens to me when no one else does.

But I guess I have my reasons.
I've seen things I'd be laughed at if I said it. Only a priest would take me seriously.

[Aya_Mikage]

No, i refuse to believe in any God. Science explains -everything- . There's a logical explanation behind everything.

[Rhoey]

Mind you, science DOESN'T explain everything.

This is exactly what I was talking about in one of my posts.

What, could we explain how or why the dinosaurs died out?
Could we explain how the earth was created?
Or how the first human being was born?
What comes first, the egg, or the chicken?

We humans want to be able to explain everything. We love to build up a little shield of safety for ourselves called 'science' to go hide behind. We want to know so much, and we think we know so much. It's a way of feeling secure.

But we don't know so much, really.
What WE know, is only a fraction of all the things, all the knowledge there is to gain in the universe.
The universe is endless. But we're so small, we can't grasp what 'endless' means.
On the other hand, what WE know is not endless. And we will never know everything.

Why?
Because it's impossible. Not just that; before we'll get to know 50% more than we know today, we're so pathetic we'd probably had blown ourselves up by then, or if not, then we've polluted this planet and killed ourselves with all the gases.

Science can also be a fake. You know how many times scinentists have faked things, and the government shushed it?
It's happened here in Sweden, in the US, in Russia...
People are willing to go far to make the population believe something.
Or to simply prevent the outbreak of a panic.

You really believe in people's bull? Such as the bible is too, though. And I've said that already.
But you actually believe in something people have made up? People are the biggest liers, and they've let each other down since the dawn of time.
They'll do it again, and again, and again...

Religion is religion. At least you *know* what you believe in. Christians have said the same things for 2000 years.
Science? Changes all the time. All built on scientist opinions and theories.

[Aya_Mikage]

1) Somebody Can, not me.

2)There's a really good explanantion for what they believe is correct called 'The Big Bang' *winks*

3) Again, someone can explain, not me.

4) You decide.

You may not think science explains everything, but -I- do. And 'Hiding' behind religious books isn't really different.

Yes, you're right, The universe -is- endless from what humans have discovered so far. We don't understand -everything- and never will.

[Rhoey]

The big bang is a theory.
Just like most science is.
Don't get me wrong, I think science is interesting.
I'm just saying that many things are confidential, and we'll never know the truth. Unless it leeks out or something...
Like UFOs. I'm sure they exist. It's just kept really quiet about.




Anyway, I know why *I* believe in God. Why others do is up to them. I have personal reasons.

[FallenHeart]

God is as real as you want him to be, for me, he is real. I am a not so devoted, but he is there. I am a sinner, but I still believe. Sei, God is not a hoax, just misunderstood and misinterpreted a lot. Fallenheart, you live in a world of fantasy, God is real, so is Satan, God doesn't let people down, you let yourself down by not having faith.excuse me? I live in a world of fantasy? I don't think
so my little friend. I live in reality, where there's
nothen but me and the sky. That's all life is, just you
and no one else. No one above us, or belows us. So
I think you might be mistaken in saying I live in
a fantasy when you yourself believe in something
as stupid as God. lol
*Grins and winks*

[Sei Akujin]

This is becoming more philosophical than it is General Discussion....

I am moving it....

[Caveat Lector]

God is as real as you want him to be, for me, he is real. I am a not so devoted, but he is there. I am a sinner, but I still believe. Sei, God is not a hoax, just misunderstood and misinterpreted a lot. Fallenheart, you live in a world of fantasy, God is real, so is Satan, God doesn't let people down, you let yourself down by not having faith.excuse me? I live in a world of fantasy? I don't think
so my little friend. I live in reality, where there's
nothen but me and the sky. That's all life is, just you
and no one else. No one above us, or belows us. So
I think you might be mistaken in saying I live in
a fantasy when you yourself believe in something
as stupid as God. lol
*Grins and winks*

Hahaha. You are pathetic. "My life sucks" "I hate God'. Believe what you like, don't think just because no one was there for you that no one there truly exists.

[frank]

God is as real as you want him to be, for me, he is real. I am a not so devoted, but he is there. I am a sinner, but I still believe. Sei, God is not a hoax, just misunderstood and misinterpreted a lot. Fallenheart, you live in a world of fantasy, God is real, so is Satan, God doesn't let people down, you let yourself down by not having faith.excuse me? I live in a world of fantasy? I don't think
so my little friend. I live in reality, where there's
nothen but me and the sky. That's all life is, just you
and no one else. No one above us, or belows us. So
I think you might be mistaken in saying I live in
a fantasy when you yourself believe in something
as stupid as God. lol
*Grins and winks*

Hahaha. You are pathetic. "My life sucks" "I hate God'. Believe what you like, don't think just because no one was there for you that no one there truly exists.


BAH!! :twisted:

[Hiryuu Megami23]

Every single time I look over this thread, I want to reply to it, but the words escape me. So, here is my answer that will have to suffice.

Yes, I do believe in God or a supreme being. However, I do not believe in organized religion such as Christianity (or any of the current variations thereof), Catholicism, Budhism or anything like that.

That is just the way I believe things for the time being.

[Kayla]

i am not sure, the whole God subject is confusing, some things don't even make sense that are in the Bible, but who am i to say if he's real or not?

[jellysauce]

no i can not say i belive in a god
there are many religons how can one say that there god is real
people who are extremly religous belive in there god so they can hope that there god can reward them in there after life but what if there god isnt the real god?
that might make you think there might be many
or is it that there was one god that every one belived in but over time it slowly got distorted who knows

[Rhoey]

God is as real as happiness and love.

I have a theory that most people who aren't happy and don't feel loved don't believe in god because of the hardships they've been put through in life.

I've not had a "tra la la" kind of childhood either, I can tell you that. Most people here already know what I'm talking about, and I'm not going to bring it up any feel-sorry-for-me sob-story here. If you want to know, PM me.

I'm just saying it's human to blame the cause of pain on someone or something else. It somehow eases the pain. But at the same time, it also generates hatred and bitter regret, not to mention depression. It's an evil circle. You won't be happier by placing the blame on someone else; you'll gain more hate and grow more bitter.

It never ceases to amaze me that people often say; "I don't believe in God because my life is ****, and if he'd exist he'd help me".

Well, God doesn't help if you don't ask for help.

It's almost like, if I don't ask my friends to help me with something, sure they won't, if they don't see my need for help. They won't 'get involved' into my problems unless I tell them; "yes, please help me". Thus I show them I give them my trust.

And I just want to point it out here that I don't want to hear anyone calling me an idiot or sheep, because I'm religious. If you think I'm pathetic, or it's pathetic in general, keep your comments to yourselves. I'm not walking around saying those who don't believe will burn in hell, or that you're retards.

Everyone has a free will. It's okay to believe, or not to. And I disregard that burning in hell bullshit.

I respect you that you don't believe, as long as you respect me that I believe, and keep your comments away.

[Hara Michiyo]

God didn't creat humans, humans created God.

That's my theory, but it's just another unexplained mystery. I don't think we will ever know if a God actually says. But as jeff says:

In the Bible, you sin...you go to Hell...BUT...it also says when you sin you get forgiven. Everyone gets forgiven...so doesn't that mean your soul is cleansed from sins and you go to Heaven? It's all one big contradiction. Also, the world can't be created several different ways...all the other religions...there is millions of them!

[Immoral]

Well i was raised in a "chritian home"

i was raised in church and even got "saved"

but really it's hard to beleive in what you can't see
that's why it's called faith(believing w/out seeing)

but truthfull i still beleive in god and the fact of the matter is
i dont hate him but i hate what he's done to me and others
alike...if he is so loving, then why would he let people got though
hell as kids...my childhood was ruined by the mother "God" gave me
and other people im sure have had the same problem...so that is the only
thing that keeps me from a god fearing life....i say F**k god (sorry)for
the B.S. he puts people through. and really having god shuved down your throat makes people turn against him....

that is all

[Hara Michiyo]

Faith (believing without seeing) Good point.

But, I don't know wether or not to believe in God or Gods...or whatever it is. Personally, I agree more on that God was created by humans, and not the other way around. Maybe humans created something to make them feel safe, and gave them something to follow in their lives. Give humans a purpose in life. Give them something to stop us feeling lonely on this planet. A feeling that someone is watching over us and making sure we are ok. A reason for hope.

[Renaki]

Want the truth?
I dont.
Mainly because the bible sounds like some old drunk man wrote it.
Along with the fact the...i dont really like the idea of being someones barbie that they just decided to leave behind and then comes back every now and then to see if i moved.

Bah.

=]


Plus all that one one person? S-T-R-E-S-S

[Hara Michiyo]

Want the truth?
I dont.
Mainly because the bible sounds like some old drunk man wrote it.
Along with the fact the...i dont really like the idea of being someones barbie that they just decided to leave behind and then comes back every now and then to see if i moved.

Bah.

=]


Plus all that one one person? S-T-R-E-S-S

Lmao, some drunk person...

I see your point. A lot of things in the Bible contradict themselves.
But personally, no one can say there isn't a God, and no one can say there is one. I never get too involved in religion. I mean, which one is right and wrong...is there a right or a wrong religion?

[Macus]

i say jesus was a drug dealer travels roun with 12 big burly blokes got to ba dealer all thouse visions were just people tripin out

[Ami~chan]

I grew up in a Christian household, and got saved at at a Christian church. And I do indeed believe in God; I do believe that he is there at every moment.

But of course, sometimes I do get angry with "him", but I know my anger is always misdirected. Most of the time, the reason why I am angry is because of a situation I put myself in by making bad choices, henceforth no one is to blame but myself.

Othertimes, whenever I am in a situation that I in no way deserve, I am also angry (of course). I know now that God loves me, and he would never hurt me in that manner. It took me years to come to term with certain things, but in the end, it was all worth it.

Sometimes, however, I can mislead people about my faith. I sometimes act in a way that is considered "non-christian" by society, such as me being bi-sexual, or in the way that I dress. Things such as that weigh heavily on my conscience, and I know God will forget me if only I ask.

Other people can believe whatever they wish; I would never force my opinion on anyone, as long as they dont force theirs on me.

[Kaze no Shi]

An omnipotent being is pretty much a logical impossibility...there are too many conflicts with omnipotence for it to really be possible.

Perhaps there IS a god of sorts, but if there is, it won't be all powerful I'm sure.

I don't deny the existence of god, I just find it really, really, really unlikely ^_^;;

I wonder about the universal superforce...that is far more likely then a sentient 'God'...the ability to think interferes with omnipotence and causes conflicts in said omnipotence...

...Like "Can 'god' create a door even it couldn't open?"

Stuff like that ^_^

[haru-san]

i believe in God..

i think God and any other religion give hope

to the already scarred world..

[Kaze no Shi]

Well, I understand the need for faith...its the only thing that keeps some people going...blind devotion pisses me off though -_-

IMO - 'god' was either created by a crazy dood, a tyrant of sorts, people who wanted to motivate themselves/others, or whatever ^_^;;

Thats my opinion though ^_^

[snackonme]

No. I don't believe on God.
Then why do you read the Bible. I can't believe you read it and you still don't believe. Don't quote it, if you don't understand it.

[Urahara_kisuke]

No. I don't believe on God.
Then why do you read the Bible. I can't believe you read it and you still don't believe. Don't quote it, if you don't understand it.
because he realised that maybe there is something a bit fishy about it

sorry for assuming you Sei

anyay i dont beleive in god but well religion is starting to annoy me

[snackonme]

What's fishy about the Bible. I could've made a realy dumb joke right there but I think I'll spare you guys.

[The Guiltiest Gear]

i believe in God,but i havent gone to church in over a yr rofl,oh well iv done my good deed by feedin the poor(like thatll put me in the good graces of a divine bieng)

[Dark Justice]

I don't believe in God, I'm sorry if I offended any religious people here and please hold that I mean no insult, but if you can't save yourself or if noone helps you, you might as well be dead.

[Amari]

very much so, He's the reason everything happens in my life. Gotta look to Him for guidance and everything. ^_^

[Rhoey]

Atheists can't prove God's existance. Nor can scientists.

Belief is inevitable either way. We all believe in one thing or another. You can't say you don't believe in anything because surely you believe in something. It can either be yourself, someone else, or a football team as an example. You can't escape faith. You have it in one way or another, even if you're atheist.

[Goldo]

I don't particularly believe in God. I believe that perhaps some force exists outside of our grasp, maybe even the Universe itself could be an actual onsciousness on some level, but not the kind of God of the Christian/Catholic faiths. I think that God is only believed in by those who wish for more in life than just temporarily existing in the world, people that wish for there to be more meaning to their lives than just following the evolutionary instruction of reproduction then death.

Religion of course is a good thing however, especially back in ancient times because it gave people the faith to continue living through awful times of pestilence and suffering. Using the all-mighty being of God as a figure-head, The Vatican gained power over the world and used the threat of Hell to instill morals and and peace amongst your fellow man into people. Those that didn't agree with these ideals of God would be sent to Hell where they would suffer for eternity. It worked exceedingly well back in those times as it kept people from panicking over the harsh lives were forced to live in those days. Religion is still a good thing today because it continues to give people faith and allows them to live more peaceful lives believing that something more awaits them after death. But in the end it is still the same in my opinion. Just human beings wishing for more to life then birth, reproduction, then death.

I do however believe in some form of life after death. Truthfully I might believe this only because I don't wish to disappear completely when I die but I also think it has some scientific ground behind it:

The Law of Conservation of Energy states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed but only changed. Therefore if you regard one's consciousness as a type of energy (which it is if you take into account the electrical impulses that trasmit thought) then it is plausable to consider that perhaps there is some form of life after the death of one's body, just in a "changed" form.

[Rhoey]

I don't particularly believe in God. I believe that perhaps some force exists outside of our grasp, maybe even the Universe itself could be an actual onsciousness on some level, but not the kind of God of the Christian/Catholic faiths. I think that God is only believed in by those who wish for more in life than just temporarily existing in the world, people that wish for there to be more meaning to their lives than just following the evolutionary instruction of reproduction then death.

Religion of course is a good thing however, especially back in ancient times because it gave people the faith to continue living through awful times of pestilence and suffering. Using the all-mighty being of God as a figure-head, The Vatican gained power over the world and used the threat of Hell to instill morals and and peace amongst your fellow man into people. Those that didn't agree with these ideals of God would be sent to Hell where they would suffer for eternity. It worked exceedingly well back in those times as it kept people from panicking over the harsh lives were forced to live in those days. Religion is still a good thing today because it continues to give people faith and allows them to live more peaceful lives believing that something more awaits them after death. But in the end it is still the same in my opinion. Just human beings wishing for more to life then birth, reproduction, then death.

I do however believe in some form of life after death. Truthfully I might believe this only because I don't wish to disappear completely when I die but I also think it has some scientific ground behind it:

The Law of Conservation of Energy states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed but only changed. Therefore if you regard one's consciousness as a type of energy (which it is if you take into account the electrical impulses that trasmit thought) then it is plausable to consider that perhaps there is some form of life after the death of one's body, just in a "changed" form.


I'd like to refer to this topic:
http://www.animechatforums.com/forum/vi ... php?t=5262 (http://www.animechatforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5262)

I post an entire topic which no one even pays heed to, ack. And then someone goes on a rant about what I just said, in a whole different topic. Then why did I even make an effort?

As I was explaining there, we don't exist "temporarily". It is after all scientifically proven that when we die, a part of us, our "souls" wander the earth. There is something called the "Ectoplasmic Voice Protocol" or EVP, with which you can capture the voice of people who died on tape. It has happened, and many people have come in contact with their nearest and dearest who had passed away. Others have come in contact with "malicious" spirits. Spirits who just wanted to basically, excuse the word, **** with their lives.

So I don't believe we just "disappear" or wither away. We just, become something else.

[Goldo]

I'd like to refer to this topic:
http://www.animechatforums.com/forum/vi ... php?t=5262 (http://www.animechatforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5262)

I post an entire topic which no one even pays heed to, ack. And then someone goes on a rant about what I just said, in a whole different topic. Then why did I even make an effort?

As I was explaining there, we don't exist "temporarily". It is after all scientifically proven that when we die, a part of us, our "souls" wander the earth. There is something called the "Ectoplasmic Voice Protocol" or EVP, with which you can capture the voice of people who died on tape. It has happened, and many people have come in contact with their nearest and dearest who had passed away. Others have come in contact with "malicious" spirits. Spirits who just wanted to basically, excuse the word, F*** with their lives.

So I don't believe we just "disappear" or wither away. We just, become something else.

All right. I have to be honest and say that while my story was a hypothesis with pure scientific basis behind it, your story was completely full of holes and lies. Don't take offense because it isn't my intent to "flame" you. I just want to show you that your post about it is completely awful.


It is after all scientifically proven that there are spirits wandering the earth.
Uhhh, no.
Saying that has been scientifically proven instantly makes most people completely disregard the legitimacy of your entire post, including me.
The existence of life after death has never been scientifically proven and is not widely accepted as truth in any way shape or form. What you are referring to is called a "hypothesis". A hypothesis is something that has some scientific basis but is still largely just assumptions and ideas.

Next up comes this:
I even know someone who was atheist, and he played around with a oija board. He didn't believe anything could happen. But to make a long story short, he had a malicious spirit/ghost bothering him after this incident of playing with the board. He went into a room, came out a few seconds later, and had bleeding wounds on his shoulders, which looked like someone had grabbed him from behind and put its claws into him.
His voice was filled with frustration as he warned everyone that they shouldn't "F*** with the dead".
Wow, sounds like someone ripped off the stereotypical horror movie line. I think I would be interested in hearing the official medical reports made about this "injury". Of course they probably don't exist just as I'm sure that your friend was never attacked by a claw wielding, maniacal ghost. So you believe that we cannot see, hear, or come into contact with them, yet they can for some odd reason claw us up like Freddy Krueger? Hmm, interesting contradiction.

Do you want to hear the truth about Oujia boards?
It was created by E.C. Reiche, Elijah Bond, and Charles Kennard in 1890 as a parlor trick. There was no spiritual/supernatural forces worked into the game, it was only created because they found that people often have a way of subconsciously spelling things out.
Something quoted from an actual research-based experiment:
"Some users believe that paranormal or supernatural forces are at work in spelling out Ouija board answers. Skeptics believe that those using the board either consciously or unconsciously select what is read. To prove this, simply try it blindfolded for some time, having an innocent bystander take notes on what letters are selected. Usually, the result will be unintelligible nonsense."

Next on the agenda
My ex also experienced something similar. He played the piano, and recorded it on tape. But there was somehing about the piano, so some notes sounded dodgy, and he couldn't point out the problem. So he got angry and started yelling "what the hell is wrong with the piano!?"
He stopped the tape, rewinded it, and listened through what he had played.
To his horror, after he had spoken, on the tape, there was a voice saying "lid". It's the creepiest thing I have experienced in a while.
Did you know that in most cases when people fabricate a story that they usually use significant others or family as the main characters in their story? They do this because they believe that by adding a person with more of an emotional attachment into their story that it will seem more valid.
As for the contents of your piano story, I completely doubt any of it is true. A ghost makes a piano sound like **** and then speaks the word lid? LID?!? Come on, why would a specter make a piano sound off key then say a word as lame as lid. Maybe he wanted the lid of the piano closed? Or opened? That must be it. The ghost was using the piano as a bed and got pissed when your friend started playing so he wanted him to open the lid? I also noticed you wrote that post in a story-type format. Fits it seeing as your telling nothing but Tall Tales.

I really lost my train of thought. I was initially going to use more fact but I lost almost all interest in keeping up an intelligable conversation the second you decided to add the ghost of Freddy Krueger slashing up your friend. My post was supposed to be about theories of your consciousness existing after death. But you somehow related it to your post about ghosts attacking friends which really ticks me off because it makes my intelligable post sound like crap when compared to that.

[Rhoey]

It ticks you off and you decide it'd be about time to teach me a lesson, and you figure it's totally alright, of course, to get ticked off at someone, for expressing their belief.

I had mixed my own personal beliefs into my post,, and referred to EVP as scientifical evidence.

I'm sorry if I seemed to attack you. That wasn't my intention at all.
I'm a much more spiritual person than scientific, so my post would of course, be more influenced by my own thoughts than with actual evidence. That's why I made that topic; to express my beliefs, not to write a scientific essay. I wanted to see other people's opinions on the matter, and fill in your so called "holes" with thoughts, opinions, evidence. I got angry because if you think my topic is full of holes and lies in the science part, I don't know why you don't correct me THERE. I could after all learn new things from it. That's why we're all here; to fill each other in. Not to diss because they made a "crap" post.
Personally I don't think it was crap. I got angry for the lack of attention when the whole purpose with that thread was the discussion of the topic, and everyone's view on the thing, which would make "the whole". But there is no "whole" when no one bothers to say what they think.

[Goldo]

Hey well maybe I went a little overboard. It wasn't really my intention to attack you either so I'm sorry if it came off like that. Actually I was debating whether or not to delete the post today but I see that you already replied. I didn't mean to say anything bad about your personal opinions, I am just used to people being storytellers so I'm kind of quick to go on the offensive when I believe someone is lying. Also if it means anything else I was really tired and in a bit of an annoyed mood last night.

You said I attacked your opinion and not the parts where you talked about science? That is not what I did at all. I only poked "holes" in the parts that you said were fact when they are not. That's all. Your opinions andbeliefs are completely different and those are something your entitled to have.

Sorry if I upset you with that post. It was a little too harsh and now I feel somewhat bad, just a little though.

[Rhoey]

Yeah, you did offend me a great deal, actually.
But it's alright. I guess I'll pull through. I'm still having a hard time to accept that no one even bothered to reply when I made an effort to actually dare for once post my beliefs.

I'm not a storyteller. I'm a firm believer in God, and appreciate the value of miracles, even if people think some things aren't, and can be explained scientifically. I don't at all mind science, but I have my views on that too.

I may have baked my own beliefs into the "science" part, though, making it blurred and unclear. Twisting it somewhat too. My eyes were pretty shrouded with my passion of opening myself up and revealing the depths of my faith though, which to my greatest disappointment and also grief, was disregarded completely. Thus, I exaggerated and got cross, but mostly sad.
I was also thinking of deleting my topic since it's so uninteresting and all. I feel like this is the last time I have ever tried to express my opinions and faith. I've never been this offended about it in my life.

I might as well stop here and let people get back on topic.

[Sei_Akujin]

It's called Sciencetology, duh. It's also a religion. Someone might be offended if you say you believe in God. These kind of discussions should not even take place on forums. In fact this discussion is now invalid. Religion should stay off this forum. It only creates drama. And drama isn't allowed. remember how I got banned for no reason? It can happen to you.

[Rhoey]

I don't believe anyone has the right to tell me to shut my mouth and not talk about my beliefs, Don.

If I believe in God, I believe in God, and those who don't, don't. I respect them, they should respectme for the person I am, and not base their opinions about me on if I believe or nay.

[Sei_Akujin]

DRAMA! That's what it's called. I tried religion but it didn't work out for me. It made me feel even more infallable than I had before. DAMN IT! I FEEL GOOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE!

[Rhoey]

I have given up on trying to help you, Don. That's the thing with you. You always give up everything too quickly and too easily. Absolutely having no faith in yourself or in that you will succeed. That's what I don't understand.

I've always kept myself to my faith and my decisions, unwavering. I don't care what people say. I try and try until I succeed. I never give up. ou shouldn't either. And I suggest we'd stop being irrelevant in this topic, shall we?

[Sei_Akujin]

I don't ask for help. I asked to be left alone. God and religion is irrelavent, If you lived in American you would understand how irrelavent and loose religion is. America is not big on religion. Althought some are, no one where I live is. Just a bunch of Anti Christ there. Blacks are more often big on religion but whites are not. 60% of America is unsure whether to believe in God. Prayer go unanswered almost all the time. I have never seen one prayer answered here. Why is God absent in America but alive where you are? It doesn't make sense.

[X-MAC]

no

[Immoral]

**** god even if he does exsist he's never done a ****ing thing for me so why the **** should i believe in him.....

[Sei_Akujin]

F*** god even if he does exsist he's never done a f****ng thing for me so why the F*** should i believe in him.....

A reasonable answer from an American's POV. You can't deny it. IF God exists, he sure hates America cause he kills thousands yearly with his damned natural disasters.

[Immoral]

not only that but bush claims to be a "christian"

so going on that and the bible alone what bush is doing is against what the bible "preaches"

but i could go off topic so i best quit now

[Sei_Akujin]

not only that but bush claims to be a "christian"

so going on that and the bible alone what bush is doing is against what the bible "preaches"

but i could go off topic so i best quit now

The Bible was edited by Catholic priests in the 1700s, for all we know it could all be lies. Lies that we base our faith upon. SO I'm not buying it. I believe the church cast Lucifer out. Not God. And besides, what the hell did Jesus Christ do during those 18 years after he found out he was God's son?

WHY THE **** WOULD SOMEONE WANT TO BASE THEIR LIFE AROUND SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE A LIE? And don't give me that "I can feel it in my heart bullshit. You know damn well what I am talking about."

[Immoral]

not only that but bush claims to be a "christian"

so going on that and the bible alone what bush is doing is against what the bible "preaches"

but i could go off topic so i best quit now

The Bible was edited by Catholic priests in the 1700s, for all we know it could all be lies. Lies that we base our faith upon. SO I'm not buying it. I believe the church cast Lucifer out. Not God.i wouldnt go so far as to say that for myself but i sure as hel don't trust/beleive in "God"

[Sei_Akujin]

not only that but bush claims to be a "christian"

so going on that and the bible alone what bush is doing is against what the bible "preaches"

but i could go off topic so i best quit now

The Bible was edited by Catholic priests in the 1700s, for all we know it could all be lies. Lies that we base our faith upon. SO I'm not buying it. I believe the church cast Lucifer out. Not God.i wouldnt go so far as to say that for myself but i sure as hel don't trust/beleive in "God"

It's true. The bible was edited in the 1700s.

[Immoral]

i meant the lucifer part

[Jericho]

Um... I don't believe in the Christian God, I believe in a goddess.

[Sei_Akujin]

i meant the lucifer part

Lucifer was said to be the most beautiful angel in heaven. I don't call him Satan because that wasn't what he was called in the original bible scriptures. The Catholics made that name up.

[Immoral]

yeah and he was so called cast out of heaven

i bet if he was "God" the world would be a lot better as of now

but that again is based on the how the "Bible" betrayed him

[Sei_Akujin]

yeah and he was so called cast out of heaven

i bet if he was "God" the world would be a lot better as of now

but that again is based on the how the "Bible" betrayed him

Perhaps the truth will never be revealed unless someone found the Zohar. The Zohar was written by the Jesuits(Jesus' people or homeboys that betrayed him).

[Immoral]

yeah i really don't know but i really could care less now about god and all related subjects

[Sei_Akujin]

yeah i really don't know but i really could care less now about god and all related subjects

True. But it might make a good movie. LMAO. People only know someone when there is a movie about them. They didn't know who the **** Jesus was til The Passion of Christ came out.

[Immoral]

yeah i really don't know but i really could care less now about god and all related subjects

True. But it might make a good movie. LMAO. People only know someone when there is a movie about them. They didn't know who the **** Jesus was til The Passion of Christ came out.lol yeah i saw that ****ing movie at cinimax and i laughed my ass off

ppl behind me were pissed!!!!!

[Sei_Akujin]

yeah i really don't know but i really could care less now about god and all related subjects

True. But it might make a good movie. LMAO. People only know someone when there is a movie about them. They didn't know who the F*** Jesus was til The Passion of Christ came out.lol yeah i saw that f****ng movie at cinimax and i laughed my ass off

ppl behind me were pissed!!!!!

Dude I peed on the silver screen. No lie. I though that movie was historically inaccurate to the max.

[Immoral]

[quote=DarkHeart1252]yeah i really don't know but i really could care less now about god and all related subjects

True. But it might make a good movie. LMAO. People only know someone when there is a movie about them. They didn't know who the F*** Jesus was til The Passion of Christ came out.lol yeah i saw that f****ng movie at cinimax and i laughed my ass off

ppl behind me were pissed!!!!!

Dude I peed on the silver screen. No lie. I though that movie was historically inaccurate to the max.[/quote:3qnwlc21]yeah the whole bit w/ lucifer and peter was bll ****

nd again when he watched jesus walk w/the cross


but damn we're going off topic


besides that, if that ****ing moron gibson wanted it to be accurate he would have made jesus more ****ed up....according to the "bible he wasn't even indentifyable when the romans were done w/him

[Goldo]

Well, all those comments by Aroah, I only hope it wasn't me who seemingly upset her. If so, I apologize for my attack on your post. I thought your main basis was saying that ghosts are after us for no obvious reason. It's obvious now that it wasn't the point you were trying to make. So I'm here aplogizing Aroah. I feel kind of bad now. But please, don't try to pull up a pity card by saying "Oh poor me, I should just delete my topic because everyone hates me." That's just lame. If it means anything I'm not criticizing you for your faith either, it's god to have faith. Your opinions and beliefs are the most important thing to a person so hold on to them as long as you can.

I won't lie though. I think it's funny the posts that were made after mine lol. It has certaintly become far more interesting in here. Maybe I should reiterate my belief:

MY BELIEFS:
NONE!!!

OK seriously, I believe in some form of some afterlife and maybe some God. But I can't blindly believe in somethin that isn't proven and can't be felt nor seen. At the same time I don't try to disprove god, just the bible because I believe it is to be completely false. Just a tool written by people to control ignorant masses or even better, as a set of examples and guidelines. I'm kind of in the middle, looking at it with an open mind yet only regarding things with evidence as true fact. But I am always open to thoughts and love having discussions about life/death, afterlife, gods, etc and will even come up with possible theories even if they aren't truthfully believed by even me.

[Sei_Akujin]

If God had existed, is he only in Europe?